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	<title>Comments on: 32 Reasons (and counting) Why Southern Baptists Must Change Their Name!</title>
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		<title>By: Larry Bradshaw</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry Bradshaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Sep 2011 19:42:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The name Southern is not the only problem.  The word Baptist refers to a response to the Gospel, not a part of the Gospel itself, especially since Baptists don&#039;t believe baptism is necessary for salvation. 
 
Why can&#039;t we use a name by continent:  American Christian Church, or European Christian Church, etc? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The name Southern is not the only problem.  The word Baptist refers to a response to the Gospel, not a part of the Gospel itself, especially since Baptists don&#039;t believe baptism is necessary for salvation. </p>
<p>Why can&#039;t we use a name by continent:  American Christian Church, or European Christian Church, etc?</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 00:13:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;7. Our culture responds to brands and &#8216;Southern&#8217; has become irrelevant.&quot; 
 
Unless you&#039;re talking about bbq. ;) </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;7. Our culture responds to brands and &lsquo;Southern&rsquo; has become irrelevant.&quot; </p>
<p>Unless you&#039;re talking about bbq. <img src='http://churchethos.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Melodie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melodie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 22:47:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree. There is no thoughtful analysis in your comment. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree. There is no thoughtful analysis in your comment.</p>
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		<title>By: Melodie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melodie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 22:46:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When my husband, now a pastor, was newly saved, he once asked, &quot;What&#039;s a Lottie Moon?&quot; He was thinking solor system! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When my husband, now a pastor, was newly saved, he once asked, &quot;What&#039;s a Lottie Moon?&quot; He was thinking solor system!</p>
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		<title>By: Melodie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melodie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 22:39:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Experience has taught me that people who work hard to make these kinds of changes do so because of their evangelistic zeal. Examining one&#039;s name and reputation is Biblical and therefore worthy of consideration and conversation. As for spending more time evangelizing making churches explode, that&#039;s just not reality. We need to spend more time evangelizing, that&#039;s certain. However, winning people to Christ in our current cultures is more and more difficult every day. People no longer assume the reality of Christ, the validity of the Bible, or the trustworthiness of a church. Removing barriers helps the effectiveness of evangelism. That&#039;s what this conversation is really all about. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Experience has taught me that people who work hard to make these kinds of changes do so because of their evangelistic zeal. Examining one&#039;s name and reputation is Biblical and therefore worthy of consideration and conversation. As for spending more time evangelizing making churches explode, that&#039;s just not reality. We need to spend more time evangelizing, that&#039;s certain. However, winning people to Christ in our current cultures is more and more difficult every day. People no longer assume the reality of Christ, the validity of the Bible, or the trustworthiness of a church. Removing barriers helps the effectiveness of evangelism. That&#039;s what this conversation is really all about.</p>
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		<title>By: Melodie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melodie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 22:30:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent, insightful observation! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent, insightful observation!</p>
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		<title>By: str</title>
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		<dc:creator>str</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 11:21:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d vote for SABC! :) 
 
But I concur - on all points of this entry. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;d vote for SABC! <img src='http://churchethos.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>But I concur &#8211; on all points of this entry.</p>
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		<title>By: E.G.</title>
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		<dc:creator>E.G.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 17:10:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As one who has been a member of Southern Baptist churches twice (while living in California) and other baptist churches otherwise, I completely agree. 
 
Oh, and you might as well scrap &quot;North American Baptist Convention&quot;. It&#039;s too close to the name of an existing denomination, the North American Baptist Conference. 
 
(I like Lottie Moon Baptists! :) </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As one who has been a member of Southern Baptist churches twice (while living in California) and other baptist churches otherwise, I completely agree. </p>
<p>Oh, and you might as well scrap &quot;North American Baptist Convention&quot;. It&#039;s too close to the name of an existing denomination, the North American Baptist Conference. </p>
<p>(I like Lottie Moon Baptists! <img src='http://churchethos.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 16:09:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I disagree with this analysis on several levels. 
 
First off, I don&#039;t think anyone really thinks a name change will alter the organization that much. That is not the point. The question is whether the name represents a barrier that can reasonably and purposefully be removed, and thus should. To me, the only argument regarding actual change in the organization would be along the lines of rousing people to rethink things they had taken for granted for far too long, and obviously people get used to things and stop thinking about them on a regular basis. It is like the spirit of spring cleaning, once you begin to look at the dust in the house, then you see how much you had gotten used to and make efforts to change it. The name won&#039;t change the organization, but the act of rethinking our identity might. 
 
Secondly, I think the issue of image and perception is huge. Many people in America (I can&#039;t speak for many other places) are not really itching to go to church for the first time and so they don&#039;t need much discouragement to skip it. Now we can talk another time about whether bringing people to church is the best or right way to try and encourage people to meet Jesus. However, the point is that we often find reasons to support decisions we already wanted to make in the first place. Giving people easy reasons to discount the message we offer does not serve them well. 
 
I think Paul of Tarsus discussed it this way: people suppress the truth in unrighteousness. I understand by this that our moral standing actually determines many of our intellectual stances. I think the role of apologetics is to break down intellectual and emotional walls which people have put up around their hearts to the gospel. The holy spirit deals with the heart, but we can be active in attacking the walls themselves so that people really have to face up to heart issues. This is what I mean when I talk about taking away barriers. If people want to discount the gospel or Christians, they are not above using things as meaningless as perception to discount it. 
 
All that to say I believe the name &quot;southern&quot; represents a totally needless barrier to people around the nation and the world. We don&#039;t want non-believers to come to southern Baptist Churches to interact with our history or heritage as much as we want them to interact with the Living Christ. Moreover, I believe the heart of the Incarnation is that God made himself accessible, he entered our world, he stepped into our context that we might know him. For us to come into other areas as &quot;southern&quot; brands us as other when part of what I think God is doing through us is coming near. 
 
Finally this conversation is not vanity because it is one aspect (and a very prominent aspect in our image-driven culture) of us trying to be the presence of Christ in our world and in our culture (more specifically, their culture). </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree with this analysis on several levels. </p>
<p>First off, I don&#039;t think anyone really thinks a name change will alter the organization that much. That is not the point. The question is whether the name represents a barrier that can reasonably and purposefully be removed, and thus should. To me, the only argument regarding actual change in the organization would be along the lines of rousing people to rethink things they had taken for granted for far too long, and obviously people get used to things and stop thinking about them on a regular basis. It is like the spirit of spring cleaning, once you begin to look at the dust in the house, then you see how much you had gotten used to and make efforts to change it. The name won&#039;t change the organization, but the act of rethinking our identity might. </p>
<p>Secondly, I think the issue of image and perception is huge. Many people in America (I can&#039;t speak for many other places) are not really itching to go to church for the first time and so they don&#039;t need much discouragement to skip it. Now we can talk another time about whether bringing people to church is the best or right way to try and encourage people to meet Jesus. However, the point is that we often find reasons to support decisions we already wanted to make in the first place. Giving people easy reasons to discount the message we offer does not serve them well. </p>
<p>I think Paul of Tarsus discussed it this way: people suppress the truth in unrighteousness. I understand by this that our moral standing actually determines many of our intellectual stances. I think the role of apologetics is to break down intellectual and emotional walls which people have put up around their hearts to the gospel. The holy spirit deals with the heart, but we can be active in attacking the walls themselves so that people really have to face up to heart issues. This is what I mean when I talk about taking away barriers. If people want to discount the gospel or Christians, they are not above using things as meaningless as perception to discount it. </p>
<p>All that to say I believe the name &quot;southern&quot; represents a totally needless barrier to people around the nation and the world. We don&#039;t want non-believers to come to southern Baptist Churches to interact with our history or heritage as much as we want them to interact with the Living Christ. Moreover, I believe the heart of the Incarnation is that God made himself accessible, he entered our world, he stepped into our context that we might know him. For us to come into other areas as &quot;southern&quot; brands us as other when part of what I think God is doing through us is coming near. </p>
<p>Finally this conversation is not vanity because it is one aspect (and a very prominent aspect in our image-driven culture) of us trying to be the presence of Christ in our world and in our culture (more specifically, their culture).</p>
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		<title>By: The Reformed Fundamentalist &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Should The SBC Change It&#8217;s Name?</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Reformed Fundamentalist &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Should The SBC Change It&#8217;s Name?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 14:22:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Should the Southern Baptist Convention change it&#8217;s name? I discovered a blog post concerning this very topic recently. What do you think? Is there any merit to changing the name of the SBC? Read the blog post here. [...]</description>
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